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Vol. 1, #1

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Adopting the Calvary Model
By: Gozer the Key Master on: Wed, Apr 30, '08 (07:56 am) (804 reads)

Calvary leaders warn churches against adopting their model, because "they teach that immitation is carnal," Dennis said. "Chuck teaches that you need to get your own vision from God."

But "they have a good, hot theology of ministry," Dennis added. "It's already affected Columbus significantly - not how they do church, though." He said Xenos churches will benefit from examiningthe following issues closely and considering how to impliment them:

  • The Word must to receive the primary focus in ministry. Chuck starts at the beginning of the Bible and teaches it all the way through. "It's about a 7-year cycle," Dennis said.
  • They don't pursue "spiritual hype," which means they don't rely on programs and structures for their growth. Rather, "The Lord must build the house, or all our laboring in vain." The less we rely on structure, the more the Holy Spirit can work, and "we need to keep flesh out of it," Chuck teaches. "Counting heads is a terrible snare. Rather, realize 'these are the people the Lord's given me to lead today,'" Chuck teaches.
  • They rely heavily on prayer and prayer groups. Chuck Smith has an excellent book available for free on the Web.
  • They maintain a healthy understanding of God's role in ministry. "Chuck says the job for leaders is to feed the flock, and tend it. It's not your job to add numbers to the church...Chuck does not preach the gospel when he teaches, and his preaching style is not very impressive."
  • They maintain that church growth comes from godly shepherding. Chuck says his gifting is not evangelism, but rather shepherding, and "Healthy sheep produce more sheep. When you're faithful with a few it leads to becoming faithful with many," Chuck teaches.
  • Our primary goal as Christ's people is to live for the Kingdom of God, bring glory to Him, "and then you'll be used by God. Only those people who're totally surrendered to JC will succeed," Chuck teaches. "Exalting myself is folly! Success is a dangerous thing. It keeps you from prayer. Promotion comes from God, not us. Don't spend time promoting yourself!"

In one sentence Dennis summarized their key strengths: "The key to ministry is the power of the Holy Spirit working through His Word."

Calvary's Most Potent Weapon


Next Up: more Calvary Chapel secrets, including one with potentially-explosive impact on the way Xenos approaches ministry.

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ryan.l802 points 
Calvary's Map
on: Wed, Apr 30, '08 (12:18 pm) score: 0.00
Here is a map that shows where all the Calvary Churchs are. Denis said that they plant a new church every year. If you zoom out on the map you can see that they are playing a crucial role in the Great Commision. Whatever we can learn from them, kudos.

http://www.calvarychapel.com/?page=churches-map&ll=32.7990%2C-86.8073

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joe.a1286 points 
amazing
on: Wed, Apr 30, '08 (04:03 pm) score: 0.00
"Chuck does not preach the gospel when he teaches, and his preaching style is not very impressive." Yet, they have 60% convert growth! God must be really working here if they're not even preaching the gospel and people are getting saved!


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l.beech2973 points 
Re: amazing
on: Wed, Apr 30, '08 (04:24 pm) score: 0.00
My spidey sense is tingling ...... I sense sarcasm.


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joe.a1286 points 
Re: Re: amazing
on: Wed, Apr 30, '08 (06:32 pm) score: 0.00
I'm really confused about this church...how do they even determine their convert growth? Specifically, what method do they use to determine wether or not someone is saved? Obviously, people could just say they're saved.

Also, what does Chuck mean by "Shepherding"?


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l.beech2973 points 
Re: Re: Re: amazing
on: Thu, May 01, '08 (11:53 pm) score: 0.00
Perhaps the answer lies hidden within the pages of this book:
Calvary Distinctives

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rick.y223 points 
Re: amazing
on: Mon, May 12, '08 (04:17 pm) score: 0.00
I just finished listening to his exposition of Romans 1-2, which mostly focuses on the bad news as you probably already know, but he definately gave the good news in that teaching. I wouldn't say he has eloquent speech, but I noticed two things right off: 1) What he reads and speaks about is absolutely clear.
2) When he emphasizes a main point in scripture, he is bold and dogmatically passionate in his delivery.


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keith.m2843 points 
Convert Growth
on: Mon, May 05, '08 (04:36 pm) score: 0.00
Dennis goes out with a mini-mob of interviewers and canvases the people in the church. They aren't getting 60% convert-growth across-the-board, you may recall. Den said the Pennsylvania outfit was seeing 40%, which isn't anything to sneeze at, of course. So they've canvassed Chuck's church and also the Penn. church. I don't think they've gone around to all of them.


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